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In this episode, Anthony and Daniel discuss the benefits of investing in large parcels of land. They dive into the advantages of big land investments, including the potential for massive returns with little ongoing management and the ability to negotiate terms rather than price. They explore the concept of land banking, seller financing, and the long-term financial benefits of subdividing land. The conversation also touches on the challenges and rewards of startups, raising capital, and the scalability of land deals compared to other real estate asset classes. They emphasize that while land doesn't depreciate like other assets, it offers substantial opportunities for multiplying wealth through entitlements and subdivision.Introduction: Why Big Land? (0:00 - 0:33)Anthony and Daniel introduce the topic of investing in large land parcels and why it’s a valuable strategy for building wealth.The ROI and Raising Capital (0:34 - 5:05)They discuss why large land deals offer better returns on investment (ROI) and the importance of raising capital in business, using examples like Facebook and Canva.Challenges of Startups and Real Estate Asset Classes (5:06 - 9:55)The duo talks about the difficulties of starting a business from scratch and why land stands out compared to other real estate classes like multifamily and single-family homes.Entitlements, Seller Financing, and Creating Value (9:56 - 16:36)Anthony and Daniel explain how entitlements and seller financing can exponentially increase returns and how subdividing land can create multiple deals from one property.The Future of Land Investment and Community Growth (16:37 - 27:00)The hosts reflect on the scalability of their business model, the power of community-driven investment, and the exciting growth potential of their current projects in Texas and Florida. Learn More hivemindinvests.com Text 📱 210-972-1842 Help support the show. https://anchor.fm/hivmindcrm/support

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this is uh why big land why would you
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invest in big land
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Anthony I like big land because uh it's
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just you can make significant movements
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I'll tell you one of my ultimate
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failures in life of something that made
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me feel like I had failed in business is
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that I let a lot of years go by and uh I
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didn't make the kind of money that I
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wanted to I feel like I didn't maybe
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take my kids places that I would want or
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given them the experiences that I wanted
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to and so iel like I had to make up for
The ROI and Raising Capital.)
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lost time and the reason I love land so
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much is because you can make up for L
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time you can you can make a Year's worth
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of pay or five years or 10 years worth
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of pay on one transaction so it's worth
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investing five years of your life to
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become an expert at this business
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because then after that it's easy you
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can generate obnoxious amounts of
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capital quickly I I I like I like this
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line of thinking because I think I'm
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lucky I'm very lucky I'm 10 I'm 10 years
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younger than you and I thought to rub it
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in your face but I'm 10 years younger
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than you and I'm doing and learning what
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I'm doing now and it's it's it's insane
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and I think everybody has a different
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journey and it took I think you you've
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been entrepreneur for over 15 years it
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took you 15 years to find something that
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worked 15 years lots of Blood Sweat and
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Tears man lots of self-doubt lots of
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people poking fun at you and you you
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know just having the rooll with the
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punches and Just Keep On Believing in
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yourself you know when when all the
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signs show that you should probably stop
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you should probably cease to believe in
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yourself at least temporarily and like
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maybe I need to start a different kind
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of business but you know when you got it
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and you know you got it and you know
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where you're headed then you're
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unstoppable man I think um there there's
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there's there's lessons in this and this
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I think uh I always hear about like oh
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buying businesses buying business is a
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big topic right now and I'm like it's a
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new wholesaling houses it's a new
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wholesaling houses and I I think we'll
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do it not to really to scale but we'll
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do it just out of necessity I said we
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let the kids the kids go out and do the
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deal Mining and then we're still the
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buyers and the finance years so we're
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not going to change our model but the
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the Bigg thing I want my point with this
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is that I think there's a lot of great
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businesses out there I think there's
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plenty of opportunity to buy businesses
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but I think not every business should be
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run by you and this is you as an
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individual listening to this you as an
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individual should find something that
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you like
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doing and then do that business cuz not
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every business should be run by you um I
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think um literally what I do right now I
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love it I literally love what I do I'm
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doing and I think I'll be doing this for
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the rest of my life literally I love
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what I do I really do and I think um did
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you like doing
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construction I kind of like the hustle I
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kind of like being the the metal chingle
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I like being in charge but the bitching
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customers and the complaining
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construction workers start to burn me
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out man yeah like I'm just like if I got
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to hear one more Saab story about why
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somebody couldn't perform their duy like
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I'm just going to just jump off of
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building and like me when I when I ran
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into Trucking I did it because I knew
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how to but I hated it I literally hated
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doing the job and it's something I knew
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how to do but everything that came with
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it I just hated it it's kind of the only
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way you know how to make money so you
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got to roll with it you got to roll with
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it so I think I think it's very very
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important to find out what you want to
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do and if it's profitable to do so and I
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think that's that's the key profitable
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to do so so um one thing that I I hate
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is startups startups
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suck yeah we we going weren't we talking
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about that a little while ago like why
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you should not bootstrap your business
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you want to touch that one real quick
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yeah yeah so yeah avoid startups are so
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crazy I think um you don't realize what
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it takes to grow you know what it takes
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to make a successful startup the ability
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to raise
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Capital that's all it takes yeah and
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then of course you want to learn how to
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make money sooner or later but if you
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can raise enough Capital to keep that
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sucker alive for long enough so this
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this is this is a great point so Anthony
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might sound like he's full of but
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we're going to cover why why raising
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capital and it's it's a it's a
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double-edged sword so if you look up
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Facebook
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and uh what is it Google Facebook and it
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Apple bu bunch of apps that depended on
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fundraising yeah so Facebook's a perfect
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example so I think I think it was like
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seven or 12 years I can't remember what
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that was it was at least seven but
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Facebook did not charge a customer $1
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for seven
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years seven years I think another one I
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think of is canva canva did not charge a
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customer for like it was like seven or
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10 years something like that that's so
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that goes with any business right let's
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say you're going to start a Windows
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company if you can make it to year 10
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your chances of making it forever are
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pretty good even if you're not making
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money yeah you don't have to make money
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as long as the company doesn't collapse
Challenges of Startups and Real Estate Asset Classes.)
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even if the as long as the company
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doesn't collapse but you got to think of
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if you're not charging customers and
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you're not making money how do you
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survive well you have amazing deals
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burning in the background or or in their
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case for them yeah ra P raising Capital
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nothing else they pure raise capital and
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that was their that was their Avenue so
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it's it's there's the startup the
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startups are they're extremely difficult
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I don't want to do another one yeah
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let's say if you're not if you are going
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to do a startup right you still got to
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learn how to raise Capital so whether
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you're doing a deal with us or raising
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Capital to put into our deals then uh
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you know just imagine that is that no
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matter where you go if you think the
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grass is green on the other side let's
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say you go into insurance or something
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else it's still going to take you 10
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five 10 years to build AIT an amazing
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business 15 years in you're a rockar
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right so it's kind of you just got to
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just pick whatever whatever you're
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interested in like you said I don't
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that's why I don't teach my kids to go
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after real estate I'm like they're
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learning what I'm doing passively right
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and now they're going to start getting
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their own contracts but I'm not trying
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to steer them into it because I don't
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you if they're if they're raising
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Capital they're going to be fine
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whatever they want to be in flipping
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deals flipping land Deals they they
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don't know how to make a lot of cash
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quickly so but I don't want to like have
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them waste their life flipping land if
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that's not what they're
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into um I kind of want to jump back to
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the why big land um
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I I talk about this all the time if You'
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have not heard this before
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but the reason why we like land is it
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comes back to the ROI thing you invest
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in in business and and stocks and you
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invest in general just because Roi so
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what Roi are you happy with and then it
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comes down to can you uh the easiest way
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to make a 10% Roi I always make this
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joke and I'm must say it forever
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whenever I speak on stage so if you here
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again I want you to really think about
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it but the easiest way to make 10% Roi
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is to buy something full price and sell
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or Finance it with 10% interest that is
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the easiest way to get 10% Roi and a lot
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of people they like making money the
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hard
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way weird they like making money the
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hard way they think it's it's buying
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doors they think it's buying single uh
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Section 8 rentals I think it's doing all
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these things I think it's investing in
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60 houses and you got to remodel
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man your your life is going to go good
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for a little while you're going to be
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busy in investing in the S&P 500 and
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hoping it goes up at the rate of 8 12%
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like you you you have no guarantees on
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anything you know you know you can
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guarantee that there will be surprises
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60 houses oh yeah how many things need
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to be repaired that you didn't budget
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for or little surprises some burns down
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water heater so it's like you kind of no
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matter how much cash you have on hand a
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big house portfolio like it would seem
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to bleed it's always bleeding a lot yeah
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it's always bleeding but so so this is
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this is the other thing so like if
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you're looking to make a Roi double
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digit Roi just buy something full price
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and sell or Finance it so the reason why
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we like big land is because you can find
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readily available land you can be the
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bank on it because there's no Bank
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services for it and then you seller or
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Finance it now it gets really really fun
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when you find deals and then seller
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finance it and that's how you create 20
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30% Roi annually for 20 30 years pretty
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freaking easily without doing a thing no
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management nothing so big land is where
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it's at it's an asset it's tangible you
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can visit you can build on it it's a
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blank slate it's a it's a real thing
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that you can hold in your hand that no
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one no one thinks it's of value I got a
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Zinger for you right now H me with the
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Zinger if big L is so cool how come we
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what is it how what happens on your
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taxes like you can't depreciate down
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nothing yeah that's what the naysayers
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are going to say yeah you can't
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depreciate it so let me tell let me tell
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you this so uh those a those a those a
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thing as like uh what's what's an ass
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what's a asset that most people don't
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realize oh what's a luxury that most
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people don't think it's a luxury and I
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put land cuz land's always top of mind
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so most people that own it don't need it
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it's not a luxury to them it's a burden
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sometimes it's a burden but the people
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that can afford to buy it it's a luxury
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it's a luxury the people that can afford
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to buy it so it comes down to the point
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where you can have an
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asset and this is this is the land
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banking theory if if you never heard of
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the term land Bankers land Bankers are
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people that buy land in up and cominging
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areas and they just sit on it why
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because it doesn't have any capex Opex
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taxes are cheap and they just sit on it
Entitlements, Seller Financing, and Creating Value.)
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and they know it's going to grow it's a
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risk fore deal it's a risk- free for
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them it's risk- free for them as long as
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the and this is this is the funny thing
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if if you buy what what are is popping
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in San Antonio Anthony say Bernie Bernie
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okay so if you go to bur if you're from
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San Antonio Texas and you know Bernie
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yeah Bernie's exploding if you buy a
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land deal in Bernie are you going to
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make money absolutely probably going to
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make a bit yeah you're going to make a
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lot of money if you buy 5 acres in
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Bernie and just sit on it 10 years years
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from now you have a lot of money sitting
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in Bernie that you have not managed you
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haven't worried about it it's just s
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just sat there for 10 years and you have
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a lot of money 20 even better yeah your
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retire millionaire off that one deal
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yeah and it just sat there you didn't do
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nothing so there's a lot of people that
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that their investing strategy is so
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simple most people don't even know it
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exists that's so somebody recently asked
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me that they said hey well if this is
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such a good strategy how come
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everybody's not doing it and I said well
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they said like what about even other
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Real Estate Investors why aren't they
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doing it and I said well even your top
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99.99% of Real Estate Investors don't
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have the tools they don't know how to
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they don't even know that this game
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exists MH and therefore and then on top
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of that they still got to be good at it
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so even if they knew how to do it on
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paper you still got to go out and put
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all the missing moving pieces together
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MH or you just partner with us and you
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go right to the front of the line you
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can take a deal start to finish yeah I I
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was was talking to uh potential new
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lender of ours and he said he owns like
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a 5 acre track like a couple 80 acre
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tracks and he just bought it then he
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just goes fishing on it and but he uses
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it for recreational use but there's
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money in there it's just sitting
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chilling that's some
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gangster I don't know uh one thing
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that's going to happen with us is that
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we're doing so many land deals we're
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going to end up keeping stuff it's just
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chilling you know what's kind of
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interesting is that is that exact thing
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right there is like I didn't know how we
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I kind of couldn't I knew this was going
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to lead to something tremendous but you
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also you can't always see the path to to
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wealth right whatever that means to
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different people some of you say well
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those guys are broke but uh what we're
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starting to have is leftover land paid
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off leftover land mhm for sale or for
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not for sale right just road signs on it
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and accumulating a lot of that passively
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is is for one a cool business model
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because now we're starting to have like
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a lot of land scattered here we talk
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about the road signs
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no let's leave let's let's make that one
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for a future day that's a I got a good
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video about that one so it's a working
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progress yeah we we got something we're
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going to share with you guys but we like
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to make sure it works first on ourselves
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before we try to share too much but uh
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yeah so we're starting to get stuck with
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a lot of land now right cuz it didn't
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sell hey now that's our profit we're
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just waiting for the deals to close out
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and the rest of the money's ours but
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we're starting to have a trail of that
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now and it's like that's comforting
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because that's kind of like your liquid
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cash even though it's not liquid and
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then um also it's a savings account it's
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a it's it's a a hard savings account mhm
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it's better than Bitcoin yeah cuz you
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can go touch it and walk on it all right
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and um we have that and then starting to
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have leftover notes now that were for
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sale are for sale but if we keep on
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going at any significant rate that
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matches what we've done previously till
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today we're going to have it start to
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have a little decent amount of land and
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notes stacked up behind us that we kind
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of didn't we didn't intend to we're
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start now we're just starting to have it
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mhm so I think that bucket can get
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pretty tremendous pretty quick
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especially since more and more people
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are coming on board as we do more and
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more deals they just they're going to
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build up automatically we say let's say
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right now there's 30 core people or 50
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core people next to you know there's 200
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or 400 or 500 we're going to have the
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rate that we could produce would turn
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into 2x 4X 6X 10x mhm and that's cool
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it's like okay so now what we're doing I
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guess is we're trying to streamline all
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of this right we have a lot of different
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people working in a lot of different
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Department saying hey here's the these
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people do this these people do that so
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we're kind of dissecting it but there so
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there's we said all this to say that
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there's a lot that goes into it if
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you're going to look at any asset class
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that's out there you know consider land
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uh I think there's nothing like it
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there's nothing close to it and uh yeah
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it doesn't share some of the same tax
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advantages it might get from other
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assets but it's like first learn how to
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make a million dollar a month or $5
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million a month and then he can figure
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out how to you know alleviate tax the
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tax problem but so let's talk about
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let's talk about multiples so everybody
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thinks a 2X multiple is ridiculous and
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it's impossible and it's a fiveyear game
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plan it's 100% on your money it's
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impossible um they think it's impossible
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what's our buy box Anthony we got to buy
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and sell it for double in a year or less
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12 months or
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less that is our buy box um and when we
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tell people that especially other invest
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multif family people and storage people
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like what you could do
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that yeah um you have the ability you
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have the ability to to to create
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multiples now let's talk about
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entitlement what's a multiple on
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entitlement Anthony well that's when it
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starts to get exponential right so like
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let's say you put your you know let's
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say total cash I was going to say your
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own cash somebody else's cash who cares
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let's just use an example so you put 3
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million into a deal for Acquisitions and
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then you put let's call it another one
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one and a half call it 2 million just
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nice round number sick you put 5 million
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do a deal and you could sell that for at
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least 2 to 2.5x sometimes
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3x right so that's that's total sales
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volume but just like an entitlement play
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if we just tied it up with 5K of earnest
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money or 300 bucks of earnest money or
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50k 50k get to close in 12 months then
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we put another two three 400 into it you
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know now that little 500 Grand turns
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into a 5m you Roi or something weird
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500,000 you just wholesale out of the
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deal but the return becomes so
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significant it doesn't make sense to not
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do that deal
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mhm it's uh it's very very insane
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position to have where you can get
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multiples on on multiples of capital
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with little little invested Capital out
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but you can get multiples on it through
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entitlement and this is the the the the
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key is is to to have sellers carry it
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for you so um I was I was on I'm on
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Twitter a lot and there was a dude the
The Future of Land Investment and Community Growth.)
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entitlements in New Jersey and New York
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and stuff like that they have to buy
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them because it takes so long to entitle
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a land they have to buy it entitle it
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and then calculate in the multiple in
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Texas you can have the seller carry that
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with seller financing or long due
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diligence period um it's essentially it
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turns into an Novation so if you can
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contract something for two years for 40
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Grand and you can value at it during
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that time period and then exit or buy
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that deal you get a huge multiple on
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your money
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invested yep and I think like you said
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having the seller carry it you got
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nothing on their side on your side you
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can have nothing again because you could
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say hey I going to put down $500 in
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earnest money or option money and then
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bring in a lender to put in the due
17:25
diligence money yeah so now you got 100
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going in on the entitlements you got
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zero out of pocket and now you know then
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you have a infinite return deal and even
17:34
if it takes a year or two years and you
17:36
got nothing into it yeah and it's going
17:39
to be a big W for everybody it's like
17:40
just kind of like planting a oak tree
17:43
and waiting for it to grow so not every
17:45
property can not every property can
17:48
receive that much time right because if
17:49
the seller's in a hurry and they got to
17:50
move yeah that's a different strategy
17:52
but if the seller just wants to maximize
17:54
the return you know then we have there's
17:56
a formula for that so that's why I kind
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of think what's cool about what we do is
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it's just whatever you can negotiate on
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land that's why it's whatever you can
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negotiate that's the golden rule of real
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estate is and also nobody has to lose
18:06
nobody has to take a short end of the
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deal everything's negotiable let's talk
18:09
about that that's a great Point um one
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of the big things that we like about big
18:13
land this is the topic of big land is
18:16
that you can give the sellers their
18:17
price you're no longer negotiating on
18:19
price which is a huge factor for
18:23
us um when a seller wants a crazy number
18:27
and in houses or in fill Lots you have
18:29
to you can only buy on price with
18:32
ranches and big land price isn't isn't
18:35
even a negotiation factor for us we're
18:37
always negotiating on
18:39
terms every time yeah so I think that's
18:43
there's a lot of different levels a lot
18:45
of different areas the way that you can
18:46
U
18:47
extract um Equity out of the deal right
18:50
so like let's say the seller knows what
18:52
he wants he has Equity you know there's
18:53
Equity there you know you can capture it
18:55
repurpose that land subdivide it into
18:58
title it do something else to it to make
19:00
it worth more so you know you're going
19:01
to make something so there's no reason
19:03
for you to come back in like a hawk and
19:04
just lowball the seller for the sake of
19:06
lowballing it because they get like they
19:08
feel what they're entitled to they know
19:10
that we're going to put money into the
19:11
property and make it worth a lot more
19:13
and that's the fair exchange you get
19:15
what you needed we're going to invest
19:16
into this deal by buying it from you so
19:19
we're going to trade your land for our
19:20
cash right so we're taking on some level
19:22
of risk there mm then we're going to
19:24
further do like legal entitlements or
19:26
some kind of paperwork is going to
19:27
happen that cost us a lot lot of time a
19:29
lot of energy and a lot of expertise
19:31
lots of phone calls lots of emails lots
19:32
of strategizing and planning so hey
19:35
we're going to put in what we know plus
19:36
our Capital into your land you get what
19:39
you need out of it and then we're going
19:40
to get what we need out of it so
19:41
everybody's very clear you know on what
19:44
needs to
19:46
happen um Equity big land has big
19:51
Equity big GL big Equity that's another
19:54
one
19:56
yeah when you buy a house you know even
19:58
if you got a crazy deal in a crazy
20:00
neighborhood you know youve I've heard
20:01
of like $100,000 spreads and everybody
20:04
online starts cheering and man what a
20:06
deal what a deal 100,000 on a single
20:08
transaction but we can find we can
20:10
Arbitrage a piece of land that has a
20:12
million spread you know 2 million spread
20:15
and it's not that
20:16
uncommon um they have big equity which
20:19
means they can sell their Finance it
20:20
gets a lot harder to get sell financing
20:22
on Commercial assets or bigger assets in
20:24
general just because it trade hands it
20:27
trades hands at refin finances like
20:30
there's money ready for those deals yeah
20:32
there's money there's a lot of big money
20:33
ready for those deals like I always talk
20:36
about this like there's probably
20:38
multi-millions and billions of dollars
20:40
ready to go in storage and multif family
20:42
ready to go right now ready ready for
20:45
the right opportunity
20:48
L yeah there's no money coming there's
20:51
no money coming there's only a couple
20:53
weirdos like us doing it it's like us on
20:55
a deserted island with the white flag
20:56
talking about come pick us up where
20:58
we're out there waving the flag like hey
21:00
letting people know hey we need Capital
21:02
let's keep going and then I think what
21:05
what surprises people is that we have
21:07
unlimited deal flow so even if you were
21:09
a great Capital Riser and you could
21:11
raise a million dollars a week or $5
21:12
million a week if you don't have
21:14
somewhere amazing to place that Capital
21:17
that's just as good as not raising it at
21:19
all yeah you have a uh you have a great
21:22
gift with no with you can't take it to
21:24
the Gold Line yeah it's like a Golden
21:26
Goose that can't have kids no more
21:32
oh man the golden gusta can't have kids
21:34
anymore that's that's it's true it's
21:38
true I don't know it it's there's a lot
21:42
of different benefits of why big land is
21:45
is such an amazing asset and there's
21:47
nobody there's nobody playing at this
21:49
level there's less people playing at
21:51
this level I think that's what's pretty
21:52
cool is the higher you climb up into the
21:54
different you know levels of difficulty
21:56
in real estate the more complex things
21:58
get the more easy it is for people to
22:00
get turned off and run the other
22:01
direction so I I think it's funny cuz I
22:03
always think about people there's people
22:04
following us and they're going to follow
22:06
us even our students they may follow us
22:08
one day but by the time they catch up to
22:11
where we're currently at where are we
22:13
going to be it's going to be wow it's
22:15
wild it's funny too because we do have
22:17
some people that are destroying it with
22:18
us and then there's also people that
22:20
have they're in the community but then
22:22
they went out and tried to do their own
22:23
deals and they fall flat on their face
22:25
we're like well damn you know we made a
22:27
community so we could do JV deals with
22:28
people and and you know buy the deal
22:30
sell the deals so we're always a phone
22:32
call away if you got a crazy deal we'll
22:34
look at it we'll try to make money for
22:35
you and if there's no money be made
22:36
we'll just we'll pass on it or tell you
22:38
our best recommendation of where to go
22:40
next that's the biggest thing people
22:43
people that have experience they call us
22:46
or they don't have an experience they
22:47
call us yeah we get we get call from
22:49
some some big big names in real estate
22:53
some successful investors and it's cool
22:55
man cu the more we think about it like
22:57
we got game there's there's other gurus
23:00
out there that are going after a lot of
23:01
different asset classes apartments or
23:03
storage or buildings and we're doing
23:05
land every single day all day long so I
23:09
just feel like even me myself just being
23:11
on the front lines I learned stuff every
23:13
day mhm and then we pick her head up and
23:15
we look back and we're like dang that
23:17
was a long way we came M we got some
23:19
serious game now it's cool because to
23:22
think like you just said as much as we
23:24
know now it's going to be nothing in 5
23:26
years or 10 years mhm so to to be on
23:29
that trajectory for one is exciting to
23:31
be sharing it with a large group of
23:32
people that's also exciting because you
23:34
never know like you said we got we got
23:36
fresh troops showing up every day to put
23:37
in the work to make this thing happen so
23:39
it's like if the Army keeps growing the
23:41
way that it's growing right now then
23:43
it'll be unstoppable there's nothing
23:44
that could that could stop it or impede
23:46
its progress yep infinite
23:50
scalability there's more land than every
23:52
other asset class somebody posted that
23:54
in the other group is that if if gurus
23:57
keep teaching people how to do land it's
23:58
going to saturate the market and I
24:00
commented there's more land than any
24:03
other asset class and then there's
24:05
always more being
24:08
created and then and but what I mean by
24:10
that it's like oh there's there's
24:12
there's there's they not building any
24:13
more land what I mean by that is that we
24:16
bought we we bought 10 acres and we cut
24:19
it into 11 Lots there was a value
24:22
created just by subdivision of that 10
24:25
acres how many 10 acre lots can be put
24:27
into ones
24:29
yeah how many 10 acres can turn into 400
24:32
multif family units or 200 multi family
24:34
units whatever a one acre a one acre lot
24:36
can turn into four buildings or whatever
24:38
be turned into a
24:39
fourplex so yes they're not making any
24:42
more land but you can create more value
24:45
than what it
24:47
currently you can create more value than
24:49
what it currently is literally literally
24:51
making more deals you're make you're
24:53
you're installing more deals into the
24:55
marketplace so are we printing land and
24:57
making more green Blades of grass no but
25:00
we're taking one land track and turning
25:01
it into 10 deals or 40 deals or 50 deals
25:04
yep and then this is this is like uh
25:07
it's always the pop like oh h m doesn't
25:09
do very many deals I'm like yeah because
25:11
we create more we buy one big track we
25:13
turn it into 180 Lots we just created
25:17
180 deals we got everything we got our
25:19
fast money our slow money and our medium
25:20
money like my friend Chris rude would
25:22
say yeah yeah we we we we hit off
25:25
cylinders cuz we got our little 10
25:26
splits we got our little uh buying buy
25:28
and list deals M we got a lot of uh I
25:31
think all three buckets and then our
25:33
long-term buckets the trajectories are
25:34
getting longer because the profits are
25:36
skyrocketing and watch out High mind's
25:38
coming from Florida stay tuned oh
25:40
Florida's about to go down but first
25:42
we're yeah we're finished burning down
25:44
Texas but Florida's next on the radar so
25:46
anybody building a team in Florida we
25:48
would like to have a conversation with
25:49
you for sure the the whole idea of the
25:52
high mind the whole vision for the
25:53
company was that we had one killer in
25:54
every single major city in the US that
25:57
is participating with us in this journey
25:59
so we appreciate you guys for being here
26:01
as always we love you guys um we're
26:05
we're at just FYI guys en closing it's
26:07
not always about how much money you're
26:08
going to make sometimes it's about
26:09
taking care of yourself so Daniel and
26:11
myself are in Santa Rosa California at a
26:13
medically supervised water fast with
26:16
Michael Flores one of our uh he's our
26:17
top sales manager and partner of ours
26:21
but we didn't come here for any
26:22
emergency reason other than we want to
26:24
make sure that we are performing at our
26:25
best and that's why we're going to start
26:27
having more episodes like the hive
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Health podcast so if you guys want to
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would like to see us make a video on
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like subscribe check it out share this
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stuff man it helps us a lot when the
26:40
community grows it helps everybody
26:41
inside of the community U but yeah just
26:44
want to say thank you guys for being
26:45
here and hanging out with us if you made
26:46
it this far into the journey with us
26:48
then uh I think we're all headed in the
26:49
same direction and um yeah just FYI the
26:52
Machine Works it's alive it's on so the
26:55
more people that contribute the faster
26:56
it's going to go and grow love you guys
26:58
guys man see you soon all right bye hey
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Daniel Esteban Martinez

Host/ Ceo/ Speaker

I have been an entrepreneur since 2018. I come from a regular home just like most people. My dad worked on the roads in the Chicago area for over 30 years. He always taught me to work with my brain, instead of my body. Your body can only take so much abuse. I learned so much from my father. He always pushed me to work smarter and not harder.

I have owned and operated a trucking business for 2 years. I started learning real estate in 2019. Fell into the Data & Skiptracing business in 2020. My partner Anthony & I started Hivemind in 2021.

I have done a ton of different jobs coming up from painting, to door-to-door sales, telemarketing, truck driving, and loading trailers. What I learned most is that I want to stay in the digital business space. The leverage you can have delivering digital products to the marketplace can yield limitless possibilites.

I started The List Guys in 2020. It is a data and skiptracing service. We provide seller and buyers list nationwide. My clients have been getting great results and I am proud to help people killing it.

I started the Hive in 2021 with my partner Anthony Gaona. It is a real estate and business mastermind. It also comes with a all in one CRM, that can host unlimited websites and users.

Starting the Hivemind has been an amazing journey so far. Seeing one of our users make his 6 figure month in June 2021 leveraging our software, I know there will be plenty more to come!

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Anthony Gaona

Host/ Ceo/ Speaker

Hi! I am Anthony Gaona.
I’ve been in digital marketing for almost 15 years.I grew up in construction working for my dad when I was only 12 years old. Normally we had a ton of work or no work at all so a lot of my free time was spent learning how to generate leads.

It didn’t take very long for me to master online marketing because I became absolutely obsessed with it. For the last 15 years I’ve been generating construction based leads. At first I was running the projects myself. This led to sub-contracting all of the excess projects and eventually wholesaling the leads off to other construction companies.

One day I was preparing to build a single family residence for myself. In mid December, 2018, a simple YouTube search led me to the term wholesaling and the rest is history. The plan was to use my construction background to start flipping houses. By January 1st of 2019 I launched several marketing campaigns both on and offline for real estate seller leads.

Within about 4-5 weeks I had my first real estate contract locked up. It didn’t take long for me get a land lead where I made almost a full year’s pay on a single transaction. This came from a land lead and that forever changed my life.

I ran low volume larger land deals for the first two years of my real estate career. Like anyone who has been in real estate investing for an extended period of time, I started thinking about scaling my business.

Instead of deciding to vertically integrated and start hiring I imagined a model where I would teach my real estate investing method… Read More