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Ep 514: Being Scammed In Real Estate
May 31, 2024

Ep 514: Being Scammed In Real Estate

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The Episode discusses the misconception that being tough in business is a strength when it is actually a weakness easily exploited. Anthony and Daniel share their experience of dealing with trust issues and NDAs in real estate, emphasizing the importance of an abundance mindset. They highlight the power of collaboration and trust over defensiveness and isolation, sharing personal stories of being wronged but maintaining integrity. They stress the value of long-term relationships, consistently doing the right thing, and practicing manufactured happiness. They also touch on the inevitability of reputation following one's actions and the importance of creating positive karma through generosity and fair dealing.

The Weakness of Toughness in Business (0:00 - 2:28)Discusses how being tough is often seen as a strength but is actually a weakness that can be exploited.

Trust and Collaboration in Real Estate (2:29 - 5:00)Highlights the importance of collaboration and an abundance mindset over defensiveness and the frequent use of NDAs.

Stories of Integrity and Trust (5:01 - 8:00)Shares personal stories of being wronged in deals but emphasizes maintaining integrity and the value of long-term relationships.

Practicing Manufactured Happiness (8:01 - 11:45)Talks about the concept of manufactured happiness and how creating and sharing happiness can positively impact business and personal life.

The Importance of Positive Karma (11:46 - 12:55)Stresses the significance of creating positive karma through generosity, fair dealing, and consistently doing the right thing.

 

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so something that everybody thinks is
that being the bad guy being the bad boy
being tough is like a strength in
business yeah but it's actually a very
powerful weakness yeah right easily
exploited yeah oh this
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is this is a great conversation you a
never been here before we have never
been here before okay okay okay okay I
know exactly where you're going with
this this is love this conversation okay
so we do this like 12 hours a
day all right right so a lot of people a
lot of people are afraid of being
scammed and um especially in real estate
everybody's really defensive like oh I'm
going to protect my $20,000 fee and I'm
not going to I'm not going to
collaborate with I need to send I need
to send you something to sign I need an
NDA n like anybody anybody sends us an
NDA we automatically ignore him like
yeah we'll be sure to check this deal
out yeah thank this girl sent this girl
sent me an NBA on a landal and I was I
was going to sign it I was going to read
it and I just never got around to it it
was like day after day after day weeks
later I'm like man damn oh damn oh damn
forget it like I don't want the deal
well did you sign the paperwork no but I
didn't want to stop to do it so
automatically like when people send me
the NDM like man oh man I don't want to
read it I don't want to go through the
legal liability I don't want to know
what it's about like you're just giving
me a legal problem now that could get me
in legal trouble like just keep the
whole deal keep the NDA figure it out
don't help me
don't don't help me and I won't help you
because you're giving me a legal problem
and you want me to like legally analyze
it in a few minutes and I'm like damn
even if it's a 30-minute commitment like
I don't want to dedicate 30 minutes to
something and then all of a sudden you
send me a deal that's on the MLS plus
10% like dang that was a waste of time
that was a that was very terrifying for
you to do that to my 30 minutes if we
could any way to pay them back I'd
appreciate it but have a nice day anyway
so it it it comes to the point where you
uh if you act if you act in abundance
and you have abundance mentality you
give opportunity to people to steal from
you MH because most people when they get
when they have the opportunity to do it
they're going to do it oh we're going to
use that 350,000 like kind of yeah like
ah dang now we're in court for three
years like oh man I wish you would have
just told me ahead of time that you were
going to steal the 350,000 we're going
to do more deals with you oh well and
then all of a sudden now like ah damn
okay keep the $350,000 I got to go buy a
$2 million rench real quick so it's like
that was a big suici side like a yeah
Trust and Collaboration in Real Estate.)
yeah it was very confusing to say the
least and like this isn't the first time
it's happened we had another guy he
stole he got like $20,000 we sent him a
lead he made money on it didn't send any
money our way so it's just like another
thing like so look here's here's the
most dumbest thing you ever heard in
real estate somebody sends me a text
message and I'm like hey this is
probably a deal and I look at I'm like
Dam this is probably a deal but I don't
want to invest an hour or two into the
deal right but it's 100% chance of it
going to be a deal so I rote through my
we roll through the roller de and we
sent it to a friend we I go through the
forget a decks and I send it to just the
first person that comes to mind that's
been contributing and helping us cuz I'm
like okay cool that guy probably needs
$10,000 he can use the money so I send
the whole entire deal 20,000 spread it's
like I hope he kicks me 10 and I hope he
keeps 10 but then like he makes the
whole 20 and just doesn't call him more
like oo damn okay he probably needed it
pretty bad I'm still not mad but next
time I get a deal that guy's not the
first in the list like I'm not calling
and not for no bad reason I'm not mad
I'll send you another I'll send you
another Gran atude to turn off your life
whatever but uh it's like you lose the
opportunity for the next up and then I
think that's where the value is and
that's what people are not paying
attention to and it's it's the it's the
it's the cookies in the cookie jar o
those cookies look nice I'm G stick my
hand in it and I'm GNA take the cookies
but then you realize you're never going
to get cookies again now they're going
to put them on top of the fridge it's a
cold dark
moment so I think that's something that
uh people I think Daniel and myself I
don't know if we've gone far I know
people do way better than us and they
got more shine and clout and all this
but I think we're having fun it's fun
you know we're making a little bit of
impact in somebody's life
somewhere and um that's a fun we're
having a lot of we're doing we're make
the business is going pretty cool and
then we're we're able to practice daily
uh manufactured happiness if you haven't
seen a man manufactured happiness video
go to YouTube and type in uh hive mind
Daniel Anthony uh man what's it called
manufactur it's called that yeah oh oh
damn manufactured happiness and um it's
cool man it's just like hey if you do I
just give him like four seconds on it
yeah go four
seconds so here here's my take on it
maybe I'm wrong right I just think a lot
but let's say that you're going to want
to be um angry or or you want to make
somebody angry or you're not have this
argument with this person whatever story
you formulated in your mind the way that
this person wronged you now you're going
to show them how angry you are in return
so the first thing you have to do step
one is you make yourself very very angry
Stories of Integrity and Trust.)
all right so now you go from being in a
good mood a normal mood to very very
angry you're like I'm sowh when I see
him oh it's going down and then when you
see that person you make a bunch and
you're like hey you want some of this
and the guy's like yeah I have some boom
now you're both pissed but it also works
in the opposite direction right so if
you're not feeling so amazing you you
you make fake happiness in your body you
find a way to bring up your mood diet
exercise prayer meditation Church
something and then
as you're starting to make yourself feel
more happy then you could share it with
the person next to you and so now
Daniel's laughing he's in a good mood
we're talking [ __ ] like things just
we're just clicking and it's a good vibe
so um uh it's something that we get to
practice on The Daily with this business
yeah it's fun it's fun stuff that was my
thesis let's let's jump back let's jump
back to uh people think they got the one
up on you I think we heard a story
recently of people people think they
have the upper hand but somebody's
always watching and always comes back
and always comes to light and um you may
not like it when it comes to light but
somebody somebody always knows yeah even
if you think you got away with it
somebody always knows and then stuff's
on paper now everything has a digital
record so if you do if you do if you
cheat somebody out of a deal if you
think you beat them and you got the
better percentage by being slick or
smart that's on paper now it's on the
emails it's on the internet so it's a
weird decision oh let's talk about the
one story where somebody did somebody
wrong in the community and then like oh
why'd you block me
I just go all the way yeah yeah okay all
right so I we don't have to drop names
CU so we're at hbhs I know who they are
if they're watching us you know who you
are uh and we were at hbhs event Charles
and Mike invited us to speak and there
was like 500 people there was a badass
event one of the best biggest events
I've ever been to in my life and um
somebody had done somebody wrong in the
hive mind it was a deal that was going
south the guy um finds a way to capture
the whole deal and cut everybody else's
profit down to nothing and he did the
gun to the Head approach like hey take
it or leave it or get out of the deal I
know there's probably a lot of reasons
that that might happen like hey the
people stop participating they didn't
deliver on what they said they tried to
steal the L's money I don't know what
the details are but if you're going to
gun to approach gun to the Head approach
like four or five hive mind members all
at the same time I kind of don't care
what the reason is and I'll tell you why
because if I got into a situation where
hey man shoot I'm about to lose $100,000
but four of my hive mind friends who I
know love and Trust are going to be put
in a very bad position yeah but now they
effed up they effed up I want my
$100,000 even though they're all going
to take a negative
8,000 all right all right you're out
because I would never do that to one of
my friends never not even for a million
not even for 10 million so if you have
if you put a price tag on treating me
and my friends like that and my wife and
my
friends you're out yeah and there's no I
Practicing Manufactured Happiness.)
don't and he was like but you did you
hear my side no thank God that those
words didn't fall in my
ears thank God thank you man thank you
man and I told him to him never
unblocking you because I already know
that person's heart now and I'm not
saying I'm the most Saint Saints of the
ever saints that ever sainted but you
don't do that to people yeah lots of
people that you think are your friends
yeah so what what goes around comes
around do do do do the right things when
you're supposed to and um it goes a long
way it's such a powerful it sounds like
well they're preaching happiness they
like you know whatever this makes you
money this is how you make money be cool
be nice to people over time and distance
do the right thing overpay overpay time
overpay money buy people stuff R buy
strangers stuff fix them up um help a
stranger move a car out of the way every
time somebody's like house taxes house
how are the people in Texas effing
amazing you're at a four-way
intersection your freaking gilapy breaks
down and all of a sudden like 12 people
get out of their car and push you into
the gas station you don't flag nobody
down you don't honk or nothing there's
no secret code people just jump out
movie out of the way everybody goes
about their business yeah I was like wow
that makes me proud to be uh from Texas
in San Antonio so I I think I think if
you if you if you take care of the karma
effect you do good people do good for
you and and and so I want some I want to
point something out cu me and Dan use
words like Karma and all this stuff I'm
religious I'm Catholic I'm proud of it
I'm happy I go to church three times a
month
but uh I got to miss something sooner or
later bro I'm a human man that's a
mortal sin um but like you know we're
just human you know we're all trying to
do the right thing yeah yeah it's good
stuff I think it's funny I don't know
but if if you think $110,000 is a lot of
money take it I mean but I would rather
that person take the 10,000 and now
we're not friends no
more the 10,000's your reward for
telling me who you are yep thank you I
got a lot of important things to do this
afternoon so the money is if when people
start counting pen we call it counting
pennies um tripping over pennies yeah
you know what you can have everything
like imagine you're playing Monopoly and
uh if things are going fantastic and
they're going in your favor this day
right and then everybody else on things
like getting violently mad like they
want to hit you like damn I'll just keep
everything in I'm out of here right yeah
so if somebody's getting weird about uh
money like that then um not that we
don't need it right cuz we need every
penion we can get we have a lot of
friends and family that that count on us
and we want to do some nonprofits and
Charities but um it's a weird way to be
with your with what you would call your
friends or your business partners so
I've blocked and I blocked more people
last year than I probably blocked in my
entire life on Facebook and their phone
numbers and I feel a lot more clear I
feel a lot more like happy I feel a lot
more um
calm so uh sometimes you got to I just
mute them I want them to see what I'm
doing I just kind of like don't want to
ever see them again like I'm not mad I
don't know if that's toxic I I don't
know what it is but it's like if I could
never see you again that would make me
feel 01 more fulfilled for everybody
here what what what's really amazing
about this business is that there's
billions of people and I just don't have
to communicate with
you that's what I'm saying like look
look we love everybody we help everybody
we give money to people we don't even
know on the damn screen on the stage
like hey this girl's like I don't have
enough money for land Glide I'm like
send her 10 bucks I don't even know who
she is I don't know her first last name
I don't know nothing here's 10 bucks get
land Glide and then I can help you and
then we had a guy he's like I I think I
got a deal run ghost ads I don't have
any money I send you 15 bucks right now
The Importance of Positive Karma.)
you want
money what's the question so it's like
yeah people are willing to put him the
work then we're going to try to make
help them make it happen yeah I have a
realtor right now I gave him ad spend
Bend to help me sell some property you
know what I mean like it's cuz if not
what if we had to do that ourselves we
got we pay for it we get the phone calls
like ah you're listing it you talk to
those people so here here's a th bucks
you know let me know when it runs out so
I can fill it up again um and and I
would trust that that guy has been with
us for a long time and he's always
provided value and he's never called me
and said hey what am I getting he just
works and works and works and so like I
just feel guilty like here's some leads
here here's some listings on something
that I could just sell by myself yeah
but we take care of our people man and
it's fun U I feel very trusting I feel
calm like nobody's going to steal a deal
from me so it's a pretty cool head space
to be in that was manufacturing
happiness we talk about how when you
create happiness for yourself you can
then share it with others the same way
that if you wanted to create anger for
yourself then share it with others
that's two two opposite sides of the
spectrum so it's a cool video check it
out guys boom
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Daniel Esteban Martinez

Host/ Ceo/ Speaker

I have been an entrepreneur since 2018. I come from a regular home just like most people. My dad worked on the roads in the Chicago area for over 30 years. He always taught me to work with my brain, instead of my body. Your body can only take so much abuse. I learned so much from my father. He always pushed me to work smarter and not harder.

I have owned and operated a trucking business for 2 years. I started learning real estate in 2019. Fell into the Data & Skiptracing business in 2020. My partner Anthony & I started Hivemind in 2021.

I have done a ton of different jobs coming up from painting, to door-to-door sales, telemarketing, truck driving, and loading trailers. What I learned most is that I want to stay in the digital business space. The leverage you can have delivering digital products to the marketplace can yield limitless possibilites.

I started The List Guys in 2020. It is a data and skiptracing service. We provide seller and buyers list nationwide. My clients have been getting great results and I am proud to help people killing it.

I started the Hive in 2021 with my partner Anthony Gaona. It is a real estate and business mastermind. It also comes with a all in one CRM, that can host unlimited websites and users.

Starting the Hivemind has been an amazing journey so far. Seeing one of our users make his 6 figure month in June 2021 leveraging our software, I know there will be plenty more to come!

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Anthony Gaona

Host/ Ceo/ Speaker

Hi! I am Anthony Gaona.
I’ve been in digital marketing for almost 15 years.I grew up in construction working for my dad when I was only 12 years old. Normally we had a ton of work or no work at all so a lot of my free time was spent learning how to generate leads.

It didn’t take very long for me to master online marketing because I became absolutely obsessed with it. For the last 15 years I’ve been generating construction based leads. At first I was running the projects myself. This led to sub-contracting all of the excess projects and eventually wholesaling the leads off to other construction companies.

One day I was preparing to build a single family residence for myself. In mid December, 2018, a simple YouTube search led me to the term wholesaling and the rest is history. The plan was to use my construction background to start flipping houses. By January 1st of 2019 I launched several marketing campaigns both on and offline for real estate seller leads.

Within about 4-5 weeks I had my first real estate contract locked up. It didn’t take long for me get a land lead where I made almost a full year’s pay on a single transaction. This came from a land lead and that forever changed my life.

I ran low volume larger land deals for the first two years of my real estate career. Like anyone who has been in real estate investing for an extended period of time, I started thinking about scaling my business.

Instead of deciding to vertically integrated and start hiring I imagined a model where I would teach my real estate investing method… Read More